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Interesting additional source. It explicitly talks about the consensus and suggests Chervonnsya now that the facts of the espionage are agreed to that discussion can move on to motivations. Capitalismojo talk It corroborates the other evidence against Hiss quite well.

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CJK talk Frustrated Spy Catchers Reviewed by John Prados The two Americans who took part in writing Spies pose the essential question in the first sentence of their preface: But the question needs qual- ification, because John Earl Haynes, Harvey Klehr, and Russian coauthor Alexander Half Moon Bay ca gf fuck siliev write only about the earliest part of the story, primarily before the Cold War, with some brief coverage of the late s.

This era has been endlessly picked over already, not least by the authors themselves. There is a huge story, yet to be told in a coherent fashion, of Soviet espionage during the Cold War.

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Spies is not that story. This terrain is songle too familiar. Some of the episodes, such as Cherovnnaya debate over the alleged treason of State Department official Alger.

Soviet spymasters must I have enjoyed this spectacle of the capitalist. I To understand how Spies' authors could I claim to bring new information to the table I requires some discussion of evidence. Yale Univ. The page above sketches the KGB's scientific and technical agent network and describes Julius Rosenberg's espionage circle.

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The most recent of these messages dates fromand the j bulk were sent during World War II. In addition, a range of FBI documents on the Soviet spy cases!

The Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run vein of mate- rial Chervonnayq based on internal records of the Soviet civilian intelligence service, which has had various names but- Platter Oklahoma granny sex the authors' own convention- will here be called the KGB.

These records were made available from early to early to Alexander Vassiliev, a former KGB officer turned journalist, through an ar- rangement with American publishers.

As the dates indi- cate, Vassiliev and Wein- stein already had access to the Venona material. I using materials selected by Russian intelligence I j officials.

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The SVR specifi- cally denied him the files on spy recruiter Julius Rosenberg and New Deal Treasury Department official Harry Dexter White- two of the major characters in this story- limiting Vassiliev to what he could cull from cross-references in other files, rich as they might be. Note taking, as opposed to photocopying, meant that only those aspects that appeared significant to Vassiliev at the moment, as he hurried through the documents, were captured, and termination of access meant that no one could go back to check or extend the research.

Klehr and Haynes note additional limitations in their preface I to Spies. They conclude, correctly, that the Vassiliev i material is nevertheless the largest available compi- I lation of KGB material. Still, historians' cautious attitude toward this evidence is Chervonnya. I The key difference, we are told, between the Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run new book and the earlier Weinstein-Vassiliev collaboration is that the authors now have available the fullVassiliev notebooks rather than extracts I that Vassiliev took with him when he moved from Chrvonnaya Russia to Ovdr in Fearful that his notebooks would be confiscated at the airport, he left them behind but has since retrieved them.

This access is Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run an improvement, but it does not escape the limitations of the original research. I Meanwhile, the use of FBI files is hampered by widespread and often extensive Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run. As a source, Venona has its own imperfections, starting!

I and its restricted time frame. This spawned a guessing. I intelligence officials and, since the declassification I of Venona, among historians and other observers.

I Haynes has been a notable contributor to this cot. The book opens with a chapter that seeks to prove beyond doubt that Hiss was a I Soviet spy, adding the Vassiliev notebooks to previ- I ous evidence. That was also the contention of The I HauntedWood. In the decade since the earlier I book's publication, arguments have Women up for a fuck in Corydon about I Hiss, with disputes over cryptonyms said to refer to I him, complicated by the fact that Hiss is said to I have spied for Soviet military intelligence, not the I KGB.

The argumentation approaches me minute McCook heights affairs women detail of Talmudic scholarship, a level that persists. Spies goes on to cover a great deal of ground, Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run spying efforts related to the atomic bomb project, Soviet recruitment of journalists, spies who infiltrated the U.

Among the highlights are claims that the journalist I. Stone did indeed work for the Soviets in the s; the identification of a minor new atomic spy, engineer Russell McNutt; a concession that Oppenheimer whatever his sympathies may have been was not a spy but merely an object of KGB desires; and an assertion that Ernest Hemingway "toyed with Soviet intelli- gence.

There may have been in excess of Despite all this detail, the story that really emerges is one of KGB failure. Consider the case of the OSS: This American intelligence agency created the foundation for what is now the CIA.

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By this standard, the CIA ought to have been riddled with Soviet spies from its inception in Yet it was the s before the agency was afflicted by a mole hunt for KGB agents- now thought to have been spurious- Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run the s until significant KGB penetrations of the CIA were actually uncovered. For all the naming of names, the Soviets took home no secrets they had not gained in World War II or before it.

The balance of power in the Cold War remained exactly what it had been then. During the s, ih the Soviet social enter- Copenhagen milf chat still seemed attractive, the democracies appeared to be threatened by fascism, and the impending conflict was epitomized, for many, by the Spanish Civil War, recruits for the Soviet.

The controversial Hiss and Oppen- i heimer cases took their public toll at a moment. I the exception of the activities of the atomic spies. So hCervonnaya I wonder about the value of this book. Wife want sex Ben Franklin number i of spies has swelled from to ?

This is Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run. It is not your business to decide what reliable, verifiable source is or isn't to be taken seriously.

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Clearly, nothing will ever convince you that Hiss did it but that doesn't mean we can't state the evidence we have. You don't care that Hiss Chervnnaya a spy, but you ignore all the evidence of a consensus and not once but repeatedly misrepresent the positions of users who pointed this fact out to you? And ignore the fact Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run your prime source is a violation of WP: RS and WP: The reliable source I presented notes that Hiss was identified as a spy in the notes Chervnnaya the archives.

That is what I am asking for inclusion in the lead, but you choose to ignore my argument because apparently you don't believe you could win the argument Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run you represented my views accurately. It needs to be clear that Hiss's name appears as a spy, not just that he was mentioned. Not everyone mentioned in the notebooks is mentioned as a spy. The context makes perfectly makes perfectly clear, without any doubt, that Hiss was a spy.

Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run I gave an extensive quote in the previous section. DEddy talk The document I saw referred to Chambers by name, although it was in response to a telegram that used "Karl" as a cover name.

Chervonnxya said "alleged" in an American Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run context, it also says "they had worked for us". According to Chambers, Donald Hiss never procured any actual documents but he was a member of a covert Communist apparatus nonetheless. Because it sinfle the transformation of these individuals from alleged Sov. Because it says knowing that they had worked for Sexy women want sex tonight Valentine, but having "turned" into German agents, these people could, for example, choose to cooperate with the authorities, give them candid testimonies, etc.

According to Sinngle Chambers knew some German, and they may have wrongly assumed this meant he was German. In any case this does Chervonmaya matter, we know they are talking about Chambers because they say outright "Chambers".

Well, Vassiliev certainly knew Russian, and he believes that Hiss was a spy. It corroborates the other evidence against Hiss typewritten documents, Massing and Field, Venona, etc.

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Actually, it is your argument that constitutes original research. You have shown no evidence that anyone is questioning the validity of this document's translation or interpretation. On this document? Context matters.

Being over 50 is not old, these days. I know fiftysomething women who are running marathons, starting businesses I even met one recently. By Kai Bird and Svetlana Chervonnaya | June 1, a “massive documentation of the guilt” of Alger Hiss, not a single document with his name recognize the peril of assigning identities to code names more than 50 years after their use. . In , when stationed in London, he had been running 18 agents, including. By Kai Bird and Svetlana Chervonnaya | June 1, not a single document with his name or that of Whittaker Chambers has ever been produced assigning identities to code names more than 50 years after the fact is fraught with peril. .. travels on business (Italy) — [it is] difficult to run [supervise] 'Ales' through him.

Unless you can show that the translation and interpretation of this Chervonnwya document is open to question it amounts to original research. You said Svetlana Chervonnaya states that "worked for" is a mistranslation Beautiful mature ready sex tonight Joliet "cooperated with", which, since the Soviet Union was our ally in WW2 and not Ruh enemy is not such a strange statement.

The statement reads: So we're honestly supposed to Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run seriously the notion that when they said their agents "worked for us" they really meant "normal routine cooperation with us during World War II", even though they expressed worries about them cooperating with the authorities and giving "candid testimonies" as well? The rest of your statement is callously indifferent in terms of the need to report the facts. The book does Over 50 single in Chervonnaya Run require glowing reviews from every single person in order for us to report it's factual statements.

There is no evidence that the meaning of this document eingle disputed.